tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post701111916859146576..comments2023-07-17T14:09:50.226+02:00Comments on Combat Fleets Of The World: Future of the Peruvian NavyMike Colombarohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05775506320809799429noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-20426102988518207782014-01-30T23:54:56.453+01:002014-01-30T23:54:56.453+01:00Dear sirs,
The light Cruiser BAP ALMIRANTE GRAU ha...Dear sirs,<br />The light Cruiser BAP ALMIRANTE GRAU has been continously modernised and the attemps to retire it from service has been rejected due to the extreme difficult of found such a vessel so heavily armed (eight 6" automatic computer operated guns an eight OTOMAT MK-II SS missiles with a combat range over 80 Miles), and heavily armoured (this allows the ship's hull to deflect and resist direct EXOCET impacts) , very long range, a huge MAGE (which allow the GRAU to detect electro magnetic emmissions more than 500kms away) and, furthermore, the engines still works fine (but the fuel consume is very high). <br />I understand that is very difficult to believe that such an old ship could still been a valid option but peruvian navy found out that this ship, with good antiaircraft and antisubmarine coverage can be a good platform combat in modern warfare.cgarguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17902634645886191244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-61489221456321064842013-03-14T13:25:33.567+01:002013-03-14T13:25:33.567+01:00Dear Mark,
What you are writing is also incorrect....Dear Mark,<br />What you are writing is also incorrect. Both cruisers H.M.S. De Ruyter (ex Eendracht) and De Zeven Provincien (ex De Ruijter) were indeed designed as light cruisers before WW II. After that war they were both completed to a totaly new design. Only De Zeven Provincien was rebuild to a guided weapons cruiser. But she was not equipped with Tartar SAM as you stated, but with the long range Terrier SAM. The De Ruijter was delivered to Peru in her original configuration and there after converted during a great overhaul. The De Zeven Provincien was converted to a helicopter carrying cruiser before her transfer to Peru.N. Frankenhttp://www.degeheimenvanimh.nlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-77969759791761686162011-06-27T17:35:12.364+02:002011-06-27T17:35:12.364+02:00I think we may see some more Spanish built OPVs, l...I think we may see some more Spanish built OPVs, like the ones the Venezuelans are buying going to Peru.Chuck Hillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-41332493287736369292011-06-27T10:27:15.333+02:002011-06-27T10:27:15.333+02:00I think, the FREMMs in any meaningful number (3+) ...I think, the FREMMs in any meaningful number (3+) might be beyond their budgetary capabilities. The other branches are in urgent need of modernisation as well and will swallow a certain part of any budget. As you say, wait and see...paranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-76128609569606050412011-06-27T08:51:16.501+02:002011-06-27T08:51:16.501+02:00Hi Para
I +/- generally agree with this analysis.....Hi Para<br />I +/- generally agree with this analysis...<br /><br />As for the future replacement of 8 Peruvian Lupo's FFG, I think the Italians will try to sell their FREMM<br /><br />Because the Italian Navy will not be able to afford the 10 FREMM originally planned. It is very likely that Italy will try to sell the "last built batch" of 4 FREMM, likely around 2015-2020.<br /><br />As usual, Wait & SeeMike Colombarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05775506320809799429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-9476642821806519792011-06-26T14:18:50.322+02:002011-06-26T14:18:50.322+02:00The navy would only follow army and airforce in be...The navy would only follow army and airforce in becoming obsolete. Their entire military forces are a patchwork of Western and Eastern types, so far the Navy has been a fairly coherent force in comparison (Italian surface combatants, German subs).<br /><br />In comparison to Chile Peru cannot possibly hope to match their capabilities. This is underlined by the respective airborne assets, which would play a critical role in any engagement.<br /><br />Colombia is a different matter, their military forces have an almost entirely COIN-focused make-up.<br /><br />As far as the long-term is concerned, the Peruvian Navy is pretty likely to become a primarily offshore patrol fleet, with a limited submarine capability. Not so far away from where they are now already.paranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-17981539857737114382011-06-26T12:14:35.182+02:002011-06-26T12:14:35.182+02:00IIRC the twin 152 mm turrets on Göta Lejon was ini...IIRC the twin 152 mm turrets on Göta Lejon was initially ordered for a Dutch cruiser. This was later cancelled however, and the completed turrets were instead used on the two Swedish Tre Kronor class cruisers. The triple turret fw might have been specifically ordered for the Sw ships though, I'm not quite sure. Like Mike said, all these 6" Bofors turrets has AA capability.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_152_mm_gunPer Nordenbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-76266978859339158442011-06-26T10:05:02.451+02:002011-06-26T10:05:02.451+02:00@ Chuck & PN: Yes
@ Mark:
Hmmm, Mark the 2 la...@ Chuck & PN: Yes<br /><br />@ Mark:<br />Hmmm, Mark the 2 last Ducth cruisers were designed by 1938/1939 with "single purpose" 150mm gun, but after the war both cruiser were completed with 152mm DP (dual-purpose Bofor 6" guns) mounts (= AAW cruiser)<br /><br />;)Mike Colombarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05775506320809799429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-46398969537701970982011-06-25T20:56:06.121+02:002011-06-25T20:56:06.121+02:00The ex- Swedish cruiser Mike most certainly was th...The ex- Swedish cruiser Mike most certainly was thinking of is the Chilean Almirante Latorre, or Göta Lejon as she was called in Swedish service. She was commissioned in 1947, sold in 1971 to the Chilean navy, and towed to Taiwan and scrapped in 1985. Here's how she looked in camouflage in 1964 in Sw service: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_G%C3%B6ta_Lejon_cruiser.jpg?uselang=svPer Nordenbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-10691174744156513092011-06-25T18:55:54.121+02:002011-06-25T18:55:54.121+02:00Does look like they have huge problems coming abou...Does look like they have huge problems coming about 2020, virtually the entire navy becomes overage at the same time.Chuck Hillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-23151368375395517112011-06-25T11:13:40.475+02:002011-06-25T11:13:40.475+02:00No problem ;) I didn't ment it all to serious....No problem ;) I didn't ment it all to serious. It was not built as an AAW cruiser by the way, just as a light cruiser to serve in the Dutch East Indies. But due to the second world war both ships were not completed until the 1950's. It was not until the 1970's when both ships were refitted with the Tartar SAM.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-74836562552848819342011-06-25T08:55:05.063+02:002011-06-25T08:55:05.063+02:00Ops, sorry for the mistake
Review corrected :/Ops, sorry for the mistake<br />Review corrected :/Mike Colombarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05775506320809799429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3064462751833591182.post-83319231251735828492011-06-25T01:54:40.463+02:002011-06-25T01:54:40.463+02:00You disapoint me Mike! The Almirante Grau is surel...You disapoint me Mike! The Almirante Grau is surely not an ex-swedish cruiser, but the former DUTCH HNLMS De Ruyter (C801)! See the wikipedia article for more detailed information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_%28CLM-81%29)Marknoreply@blogger.com